Skill based matchmaking can be hell on earth depending on how lax they are with the spread and where you sit skill wise.
I think people generally interpret matchmaking as grouping up 8~12 people of close skill level, but that’s really not true. What they usually do is try to keep parity between *average* skill levels across teams. This results in significantly faster queue times, but can be universally frustrating for everyone. If you’re towards the top, you’ll feel like your team is always underperforming or not carrying weight (because it’s true). If you’re on the lower end, you’ll feel like you’re completely outclassed and MM is broken (because it’s true). If you’re in the middle, you get the odd experience of feeling stomped by one or two guys while feeling you did generally OK.
This can be an especially crappy feeling when gameknowledge plays a large part like class-based/role-based shooters or MOBAs. Games where a single underperformer has a major effect on the outcome. At that point, it feels like a competition of “who has the better shitter”. These are a popular genre right now.
It’s one of those “it should work on paper” concepts that just feels awful to experience. The alternative though is longer queue times, which I think people are irrationally overly adverse to, so *shrug*.
Y’all need to look up what sbmm actually is and how it works, your arguments for why it’s bad is literally the things it helps, you would have a far worse experience without it.
Apex Legends has the absolute worst implementation of SBMM I’ve ever seen.
You have a win with 5 kills and 800 damage? The next lobby’s champion squad is 3 stacked masters or preds that play like if they don’t kill you they die in real life.
If you guys want to see what not skill based matchmaking looks like, I invite you to meet escape from tarkov.
The game is a flesh economy of 5k hour giga chad sharks who power level in a week what it would take a noob multiple years, who know every nook and cranny and loot spawn of the maps, equipped with hulking armor and massive fully kitted guns with 1000$ a bullet ammo sustained by the flesh of a quick turnover noob influx mass who are petering around the map in level 1 armor and rusted guns with no dust covers or stocks desperately just trying to find the exit.
Vast majority of people salty about SBMM are sweats and they’re put with other sweats. This just tells me it’s working. It not being perfect for your first match it’s a silly complaint.
I’m going to be honest, as much fun as I had in CoD before they implemented this, I imagine the other 7+ people in the lobby did *not* have fun. Farming the achievements for the high level killstreaks was legit hard only because people would usually all quit.
All you softies complain about skill based matchmaking just want to be the one crushing people instead of getting crushed. How do you think it feels when Willy-work-all-day comes home to relax and gets put in with absolute pumpers. Prob not fun for him.
sbmm keeps the sweats together and keeps the casuals together.
You: Hop on, have a decent or good game, enjoy yourself.
IW/Treyarch/Sledgehammer: OH SAY WORD. YOU’RE ON AN ESPORTS TEAM?
You: Hop into another game, matched up against people who haven’t seen the sun in years, you die before you even respawn, there is no gunfight there is just brutality, no fun to be had.
IW/Treyarch/Sledgehammer: awww widdle baby needs a bot lobby??? widdle baby needs no comp??? ok ok we give we give
Hmm… I’ve always thought skill based matchmaking is what is actually necessary to have as much fun as possible. When you get mismatched rounds is where it gets a lot harder to enjoy the games imo.
Playing PvP in WoW, League of Legends and WARZONE have taught me that most people dont want fair matches against peers, they want overpower their opponent who should fight back just enough for them not to be bored.
A) You’re a streamer “pro” who only wants to stomp pubs to feel good about yourself as you dominate worse players who don’t spend all day playing the game.
*or*
B) You can’t have fun unless you win. Which is probably an indication you should switch games.
‘Wahhhh it’s only fun if I’m winning and playing easy people wahhhhhhhh’ you think the noobs you’re destroying are enjoying their experience?
Do you think the people wiping the floor with you after you got your skill assessed are not enjoying their time using you for their k/d like you did the noobs a few matches ago?
This is a dumb meme. Take away the skill based match making and lets throw you into a pre-made team of top tier players over and over. See how good your k/d looks after that.
I mean I’d rather play with other silvers and golds than Predators or Champions or whatever they’re called in whatever game I’m playing. Am I the only one that appreciates MMR systems? I’m too old to keep up with kid’s reaction speeds now, I’d rather play against fellow old mediocre gamers.
Aight, so let me relay the story of me in Destiny 2 PVP.
I’m not good. I’m actually un-good, the epitome of a tired Dad Gamer just trying to have a little relaxation time after work. Pulse rifle, major neutral-game whoring, the whole nine. I don’t snipe, because I’m not good enough, and I don’t shotgun rush because my movement isn’t good enough.
You get the idea.
For months, every time I’d play PVP, I’d get absolutely shit-stomped by gangs of streamers or assholes rolling in six-stack death balls of Hunter Hand Cannon-fueled hatred, people who have never loved anything more than meta-abusing shithousery to maximize their winning efficiency. And hey, some people like to do that, they’re not bad people, most of them.
They’re also not fun to play against. So I stopped. I just…quit playing all PVP modes in D2. It wasn’t fun to get annihilated by fourteen year old autists who will never desire the loving embrace of a woman or man. I raided, I played the story missions, but I adamantly refused to play PVP anymore.
And then, Bungie enabled SBMM. And now, the games are actually close. I don’t mind losing by 5-10%, because the next game, I’ll win by 5-10%. I’ve got a *chance.*
What people don’t understand is, some of the people playing with me are going to be the no-sunlight-PVP-lords of tomorrow. They just have to start somewhere, and grow into the Olde Gods of PVP. And if you don’t nurture them, grow them into the next Frostbolt or Aztecross or ZKMushroom, then they just won’t be there.
Additionally, when everybody at my skill level stops playing, the only thing you’re left with is the sweats and the cheaters. So you got skill-based matchmaking anyway, but with the added step of killing off the player base first.
There are many, many good reasons to not have SBMM. But the reason these game makers keep trying it, is because they’re doing everything they can to save the PVP experience for someone who isn’t as good as Panduh.
What does fun in fps shooter equal? Skill bases means you are with comparable opponents. These posts are such shit as the players’fun’ equals smashing noobs who can’t aim so they can feel good about themselves. Bullshit
Me: goes positive in one match after going negative in ten
SBMM: oh so you’re a pro now?
So your definition of fun is always winning?
Me: This guy has the most dog shit aim lol
SBMM: Well we paired you with people your skill level….
Skill based matchmaking can be hell on earth depending on how lax they are with the spread and where you sit skill wise.
I think people generally interpret matchmaking as grouping up 8~12 people of close skill level, but that’s really not true. What they usually do is try to keep parity between *average* skill levels across teams. This results in significantly faster queue times, but can be universally frustrating for everyone. If you’re towards the top, you’ll feel like your team is always underperforming or not carrying weight (because it’s true). If you’re on the lower end, you’ll feel like you’re completely outclassed and MM is broken (because it’s true). If you’re in the middle, you get the odd experience of feeling stomped by one or two guys while feeling you did generally OK.
This can be an especially crappy feeling when gameknowledge plays a large part like class-based/role-based shooters or MOBAs. Games where a single underperformer has a major effect on the outcome. At that point, it feels like a competition of “who has the better shitter”. These are a popular genre right now.
It’s one of those “it should work on paper” concepts that just feels awful to experience. The alternative though is longer queue times, which I think people are irrationally overly adverse to, so *shrug*.
Did I miss something here, what’s the problem with Skill based match-making?
“I DONT WANT TO PLAY RANKEDS”
“BUT I WANT TO PLAY WITH PEOPLE ON MY SAME LEVEL OF SKILL AND PERFORMANCE LEVEL”
Y’all need to look up what sbmm actually is and how it works, your arguments for why it’s bad is literally the things it helps, you would have a far worse experience without it.
Saw Harden and KD and tried to make this make sense in an NBA context for a few seconds lol
Apex Legends has the absolute worst implementation of SBMM I’ve ever seen.
You have a win with 5 kills and 800 damage? The next lobby’s champion squad is 3 stacked masters or preds that play like if they don’t kill you they die in real life.
Makes casual play almost impossible
So you’re saying you only have fun when you’re winning?
Maybe you should stop playing if that’s the case.
*Me playing Team Fortress 2*
If you guys want to see what not skill based matchmaking looks like, I invite you to meet escape from tarkov.
The game is a flesh economy of 5k hour giga chad sharks who power level in a week what it would take a noob multiple years, who know every nook and cranny and loot spawn of the maps, equipped with hulking armor and massive fully kitted guns with 1000$ a bullet ammo sustained by the flesh of a quick turnover noob influx mass who are petering around the map in level 1 armor and rusted guns with no dust covers or stocks desperately just trying to find the exit.
Vast majority of people salty about SBMM are sweats and they’re put with other sweats. This just tells me it’s working. It not being perfect for your first match it’s a silly complaint.
I’m going to be honest, as much fun as I had in CoD before they implemented this, I imagine the other 7+ people in the lobby did *not* have fun. Farming the achievements for the high level killstreaks was legit hard only because people would usually all quit.
Play inconsistency. That way SBMM will never know how good you are
If you want SBMM gone to have fun it means you want to shit on little kids.
SBMM is and has been a staple feature of games and real sports and no one disputes that, except COD players.
All you softies complain about skill based matchmaking just want to be the one crushing people instead of getting crushed. How do you think it feels when Willy-work-all-day comes home to relax and gets put in with absolute pumpers. Prob not fun for him.
sbmm keeps the sweats together and keeps the casuals together.
CoD SBMM:
You: Hop on, have a decent or good game, enjoy yourself.
IW/Treyarch/Sledgehammer: OH SAY WORD. YOU’RE ON AN ESPORTS TEAM?
You: Hop into another game, matched up against people who haven’t seen the sun in years, you die before you even respawn, there is no gunfight there is just brutality, no fun to be had.
IW/Treyarch/Sledgehammer: awww widdle baby needs a bot lobby??? widdle baby needs no comp??? ok ok we give we give
rinse repeat
Unless Josh Menke Made the skill system (which means its a broken and abhorrent failure)… what is fun to you? picking on blind 7 year old newbs?
Hmm… I’ve always thought skill based matchmaking is what is actually necessary to have as much fun as possible. When you get mismatched rounds is where it gets a lot harder to enjoy the games imo.
Playing PvP in WoW, League of Legends and WARZONE have taught me that most people dont want fair matches against peers, they want overpower their opponent who should fight back just enough for them not to be bored.
I read this as James harden and Kevin durant and I was like why are they talking about NBA in r/gaming
I mean … in the other way around people trying to have fun and then the Smurf comes along
So either
A) You’re a streamer “pro” who only wants to stomp pubs to feel good about yourself as you dominate worse players who don’t spend all day playing the game.
*or*
B) You can’t have fun unless you win. Which is probably an indication you should switch games.
I don’t get why you would want to go into the ball pit as an adult.
‘Wahhhh it’s only fun if I’m winning and playing easy people wahhhhhhhh’ you think the noobs you’re destroying are enjoying their experience?
Do you think the people wiping the floor with you after you got your skill assessed are not enjoying their time using you for their k/d like you did the noobs a few matches ago?
Git gud or get fucked just stfu about it
This is a dumb meme. Take away the skill based match making and lets throw you into a pre-made team of top tier players over and over. See how good your k/d looks after that.
I mean I’d rather play with other silvers and golds than Predators or Champions or whatever they’re called in whatever game I’m playing. Am I the only one that appreciates MMR systems? I’m too old to keep up with kid’s reaction speeds now, I’d rather play against fellow old mediocre gamers.
Don’t down vote me but I start have fun on Fortnite
Like I started playing apex legends and there’s players who have level 300
You got a 1.5kd?
Esports players it is then.
Aight, so let me relay the story of me in Destiny 2 PVP.
I’m not good. I’m actually un-good, the epitome of a tired Dad Gamer just trying to have a little relaxation time after work. Pulse rifle, major neutral-game whoring, the whole nine. I don’t snipe, because I’m not good enough, and I don’t shotgun rush because my movement isn’t good enough.
You get the idea.
For months, every time I’d play PVP, I’d get absolutely shit-stomped by gangs of streamers or assholes rolling in six-stack death balls of Hunter Hand Cannon-fueled hatred, people who have never loved anything more than meta-abusing shithousery to maximize their winning efficiency. And hey, some people like to do that, they’re not bad people, most of them.
They’re also not fun to play against. So I stopped. I just…quit playing all PVP modes in D2. It wasn’t fun to get annihilated by fourteen year old autists who will never desire the loving embrace of a woman or man. I raided, I played the story missions, but I adamantly refused to play PVP anymore.
And then, Bungie enabled SBMM. And now, the games are actually close. I don’t mind losing by 5-10%, because the next game, I’ll win by 5-10%. I’ve got a *chance.*
What people don’t understand is, some of the people playing with me are going to be the no-sunlight-PVP-lords of tomorrow. They just have to start somewhere, and grow into the Olde Gods of PVP. And if you don’t nurture them, grow them into the next Frostbolt or Aztecross or ZKMushroom, then they just won’t be there.
Additionally, when everybody at my skill level stops playing, the only thing you’re left with is the sweats and the cheaters. So you got skill-based matchmaking anyway, but with the added step of killing off the player base first.
There are many, many good reasons to not have SBMM. But the reason these game makers keep trying it, is because they’re doing everything they can to save the PVP experience for someone who isn’t as good as Panduh.
More FPS games should just do this one simple thing; skill based for ranked, no base for casual
Imagine complaining about getting matched with similar skill players 🤣
Nobody ever explains how they can have fun.
The answer: Noob opponents.
can you not have fun in an even matchup? is your fun exclusively on wrecking noobs at a lower skill than you?
This guy: I wanna obliterate noobs every match
Game: Matching player’s near your MM-
This guy: STOP OPPRESSING MY FUN
COD players complaining they have to face people their own rank is embarrassing. You’re a joke.
I play rocket league and enjoy it, sometimes I play with my brother who I’d very skilled.
It is so disheartening to watch the other team fly everywhere and have brother say “you didn’t save it?”
No I didn’t save it, he hit it 3 times in the air before landing
In my experience matchmaking is usually just all the e sports level players against newborn babies
What does fun in fps shooter equal? Skill bases means you are with comparable opponents. These posts are such shit as the players’fun’ equals smashing noobs who can’t aim so they can feel good about themselves. Bullshit
Translation: I want to absolutely dumpster new players so I can feel better about myself instead of playing against people of my own skill level.
Unless ypu are talking about wanting to do gimmick lobbies, which I think should always be available.
Yeah I only want to play people worse then me..grow up
Waaaaah, Waaaaaah, i can’t stomp noobs!
Translation, you want to destroy players lower than your skill level.
“Have fun” lol. Having fun at the expense of low skilled player’s fun. SBMM is a good thing and I’ll die on this hill.