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So much cancer…
For a second the picture looked like cigarette butts in mud.
Don’t worry guys, there are no environmental problems major health impacts from one of the most dangerous chemicals I can think of. Don’t worry. We didn’t just kill an entire county. There isn’t a cover up. Go look at some balloons or something.
What is this?
I would have thought anyone working in the area should be in full hazmat suit…
What chemical was it, that it was carrying?
How to make your county a superfund site in one easy step!
The lack of news or people that I know haven’t even heard of this is…strange but not surprising. Toxic chemicals in a meh town in Ohio.
This has a cancer/horrific lawsuit/Netflix series written all over it. This will be the case of many deaths down the road and insurance agencies not paying out. Can bank on this to be a Vice special and HBO program in 5 years
No containment suits for these guys at ground zero?
This is insane, why aren’t more people talking about this?
no hazmat suits… interesting
Environmental Engineer here:
US epa is in charge of Air testing
Ohio epa will be in charge of remediation and site monitoring (surface and ground water, and soil)
Norfolk is in charge of the initial clean up and site response. They have 30 days to submit their manifesto. manifesto number 5800.1.
It is important that they cannot control the narrative. They are overseeing themselves.
The only govt oversight Norfolk answers to is the department of transportation, despite transportation of hazardous materials (they lobbied heavily to get rid of any notion of safety laws)
Please email hm-enforcement@dot.gov to get more information and get federal oversight. They have jurisdiction to investigate Norfolk at their HQ to see what training documents the operator had, any Emergency response plan they had on hand, and any Spill Pollution Prevention Plans.
Edit: the 5800.1 is the US EPA incident number. After Norfolk submits the manifesto, there will be Their side of events leading to the crash.
Vinyl chloride reacts with water and water vapor to create secondary compounds. Next concern is what precipitation will look like.
Two tributaries to the Ohio river have tested positive for hazardous chemicals and according to locals, all the fish and frogs are dead. The Ohio river affects so many other states for their source drinking water.
The US EPA can only respond and issue essentially a mandatory clean up to Norfolk. It is unclear whether or not they would get a fine since technically the railroads only answer to the US DOT. If the US EPA, or Ohio EPA finds them liable/negligent there may be a fine. But again, Norfolk is submitting their own report to the agency supposedly fining them. Someone linked below that the Virginia fined Norfolk for $25K for a spill, so it has been done.
You can email phmsa.foia@dot.gov for a foia request if you feel inclined.
Norfolk has still not come clean as to what other chemicals were involved in the crash. The US EPA has issued a letter saying there were more hazardous chemicals in other tankards.
Edit 2: SDS of monomer vinyl chloride: https://www.airgas.com/msds/001067.pdf and epa doc: https://semspub.epa.gov/work/05/437069.pdf
EPA site notes: https://response.epa.gov/site/site_profile.aspx?site_id=15933
Edit 3: here is a story outlining how Norfolk and other railroad companies lobbied to skirt safety:
https://truthout.org/articles/ohio-train-derailment-reveals-danger-of-plastics-boom-and-corporate-cost-cutting/
My mom grew up like 10 miles from where this happened. The area has a long history of cancer-causing environmental problems and adding this on top of it is just horrendous.
I live in Cincinnati – which is downstream along the Ohio river. I’m concerned that last weeks burn could have had toxic ash fall into the river. We drink water from it you know.
The hefty $5 they paid out to the residents will make up for it 🙄
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$25,000.
That’s the amount that they offered the town.
To fix up this disaster.
The CEO needs to be in jail today. Yes, it’s their fault.
The investors? Need to lose all their money – do better due diligence next time.
The company needs to go broke. Oh it will hurt supply chain? I’m sure a competitor will buy their assets cheap and the proceeds given to this town, and the victims which will suffer irreparable, generational damage.
This needs to happen today, right now.
Otherwise America is admitting that if you have enough money, or are a corporation, you’re immune to the law.
This is criminal.
Reposting some local stories from the incident.
If you’re interested in any of the local coverage here are some articles:
https://www.wfmj.com/story/48355825/epa-releases-east-palestine-air-monitoring-results
https://www.wfmj.com/story/48364052/rail-union-calling-for-tighter-safety-guidelines
https://www.wfmj.com/story/48367308/residents-want-transparency-long-term-testing-and-an-end-to-a-one-mile-radius-since-chemicals-travel-east-palestine-oh
WFMJ is a news station in the area that is not owned by a major broadcast company like nexstar or sinclair.
Here are some articles from the other station in the area, WKBN. They are owned by Nexstar but sometimes cover things more thoroughly.
https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/east-palestine-schools-to-reopen-following-train-derailment-closure/
https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/3-additional-chemicals-discovered-on-east-palestine-train-derailment/
https://www.wkbn.com/news/local-news/east-palestine-train-derailment/east-palestine-fire-department-forced-to-get-new-gear/
America is a shit hole.
The rail company had 12 billion in profits and did 10 billion of share buy back. What did it cut? Safety, employee paid sick days, reduced the number of employees through lobbing against safety regulations, and political system which allows shit like this to happen.
Prove me wrong. The system in America is broken as fuck.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/111bvg7/-/j8duthv
24-year railroad employee here.
Everyone should be calling their congressional representatives non-stop, asking why we let railroads intimidate their employees to speed up train inspections inspections and defer maintenance.
“If you or a loved one worked on or lived near the train derailment of 2023 in east palastine Ohio, you may be eligible for substantial compensation”
It’s American art titled ‘Earth as Ashtray’