She scammed money so she could pay a guy who was scamming her. She’s attractive enough that she should be able to find a guy without paying. Were there drugs involved?
What a wild story. It’s crazy to think someone can have the social intelligence to scam millions from lonely dudes through emotional manipulation only to immediately lose it all to more legal emotional manipulation.
edit: not sure on the weird swings of downvotes, though they are stabilizing out. I think she’s an insane scammer, but I am optimistic that lonely people will be able to resist people like her if they take *any* precautions and talk to others about intense relationships they are experiencing.
Watched once a Youtube interview with a former international-traveling-irl-super-spy type and he was asked how they could ever defend against subtle forms of social and emotional manipulation from adversaries.
He basically said that a person just had to learn to watch for, and think carefully about, patterns and situations surrounding a particular person.
e.g. if a person is always bumping into you randomly in public, then lavishing compliments on you, then leaving in a manner that leaves you wanting more… keep an eye on that. Think hard on who they are, what they want, and if those could be repeated, legitimate coincidences. Or if they have an agenda or some designs on you.
I don’t know how to best apply that principle to a girl who is this experienced and has that precise of a method of targeting men, but I will say it’s fascinating that *the vast majority of men she considered to be far too hard a target.* Don’t be discouraged, as it was possible to evade her predations. If a person had *any* self respect, self awareness, or was willing to call bullshit she seemed to ignore them for more vulnerable targets whom she could play the game on. So if you have money, power, or influence and are very lonely… watch for patterns, excessive feel goods, and constant coincidences. Stand up for yourself. Double check with others about weird situations you’re dragged into (even if a coworker or videogame friend is all you have to talk to, many still enjoy giving advice).
I know part of you will be scared about accidentally pushing real love away (or offending her), but you must be thoughtful. Also, don’t fall into being paranoid or no longer trusting others, as that can lead to new levels of loneliness. It’s a balancing act.
In life even if you do everything perfect, I also can make no promises. If you love and trust other people *you will* eventually get hurt. Any of us who have dated throughout our teenage or adult years have been lied to, cheated on, or had the person turn out to be a piece of shit who elegantly wore a human mask. I don’t necessarily regret those relationships, as I learned and grew from them, and sometimes that person changed later in life and regretted their mistakes. I
In light of all that, what’s a normal person to do? I think it’s best if you only give trust and material benefit to someone *in accord with where the relationship is* and where *its level of proven, formal commitment is currently at*. If someone will take you to see their parents, calls you their boyfriend in public, and connects their social medias to you… all those little signs can matter. Enough of them and a relationship is less likely to be a sneaky, total farce where she is trying to fleece you then “aftercare” then slowly slip away entirely.
If you are married to a woman and she has a kid with you, then that’s the kind of situation where it’s appropriate to give an absurd amount of ongoing help and bail her out of crazy situations (if the problems are legitimate, though do see a marriage counselor if needed). Especially if she does the same for you.
But if a woman you met and fell in love with is just a case of flighty feel-goods flickering in and out of your life and she doesn’t truly give in turn, and suffer beside you, then it’s neither appropriate for her to ask–or appropriate for you to give–a lot of help unbidden.
We can’t always protect ourselves in life, but we can avoid being a total fool. Getting a little scammed or betrayed is different from someone who loses the shirt on their back and the proverbial deed to their house.
Try to avoid total ruination. As such a state does exist.
Everyone involved is either sad and lonely, or self-centered and lonely monsters. From mai, to the guys she scammed, to the girls who purchased her scam, to the host club. Just garbage all around. Exept the youtuber that did her interview.
No ones happy, no one gets a partner, everyone loses.
I quite like that she basically got scammed by slightly more socially acceptable methods than she was using on other people.
I wonder if this sort of thing – basically getting lonely people to give you money – is actually illegal, if you don’t do all the extra shit that she did. Yes, it’s deceptive, but half of capitalism is like that.
I can see in 50 years she too will be a very lonely person… most likely looking after only cats…. because if you screw people around, they will screw you around…..
Because she is in a trial, and about to be sentenced…..I am sure she is going to get pregnant very soon…
There is this unhinged e-begger on youtube called DSP, the guy does this shit to his followers, even keeps it going on hidden discords, he gets money from them and uses it all on mobile games.😂
Here’s the link if anyone wants to watch her full interview, it’s crazy, she pulls out 6,000,000 in yen from her backpack during the interview and says she’s going to spend it all at the host club later
The loneliness epidemic is getting worse and worse, she, host clubs, and onlyfans are highlights, but the problem is evident in more “honest” things too
Just look at dating apps, the absurd amount they expect people to pay for interaction with people that are actually interested in them. They’ll lock messaging or obscure photos; many of them don’t allow you to start a conversation without shelling out like 30 bucks a month, and you better believe they’ll turn on auto renew.
Why? Because people are lonely, so they’ll pay for it. That work, go home, sleep; as this bitch puts it “why live” lifestyle? That’s lots of people’s everyday life, because that’s what society has created with the lack of worker’s rights in *many* western minded countries. They don’t meet people because they really can’t, or don’t have many opportunities to at least, and all these predatory dating apps take massive advantage of that.
It’s only getting worse culturally too. Porn is changing how teens/adults see/desire sex, flirtatious interaction in person is deemed too risky from an early age, there’s a ton of skewed ideas about dating, sex, and cross gender socialization, and it’s isolating many, many people before they even get started.
I never think, “wow this person is so smart” when I see what this woman has done. To me what she’s doing is clear as day, it’s obvious from the start; it’s just whether or not you’re a big enough piece of shit to go through with doing it to frankly good, lonely people. Everyone always shits on the lonely men and women that get taken advantage of, but no one deserves loneliness, and no one deserves to be emotionally manipulated either.
I grew up right when all this shit was starting, when there were still warnings about social media, and interacting with online strangers; but it’s become so widespread, so ingrained in our society, that the scammed, lonely people of the next generation are in for a ride. I hope for the best for them, and I hope something will change so we can mitigate this misery-inducing from hurting too many people.
You call it Scam process. I say she discovered basically every normal sales process. Like seriously, if you receive any formal sales training this is what you’ll be trained to do effectively:
1) Select the right target. Dont waste time on people who cant/wont buy your product.
2) Don’t talk about the product, first establish trust with them
3) Find or create a pain point for the customer (an issue they’re having that what you’re selling could solve). Hit on that pain and bring it to the surface.
Whether it’s a scammer or “a host club”, preying on lonely people makes me feel sick.
Sad. It’s just sad.
TLDR
Well this confirms why I hate people
And the first price for lack of selv awareness goes to…
Damn that youtuber’s hella chad. Can’t believe she thought it was a good idea to say any of that.
She scammed money so she could pay a guy who was scamming her. She’s attractive enough that she should be able to find a guy without paying. Were there drugs involved?
This just hits me differently since I was involved in somethings similar. A few months later I realized how much I spent on the girl and was shocked.
Like a modern day Nightmare Alley. Became the geek she looked down on.
both unethical and illegal, huh
What a wild story. It’s crazy to think someone can have the social intelligence to scam millions from lonely dudes through emotional manipulation only to immediately lose it all to more legal emotional manipulation.
edit: not sure on the weird swings of downvotes, though they are stabilizing out. I think she’s an insane scammer, but I am optimistic that lonely people will be able to resist people like her if they take *any* precautions and talk to others about intense relationships they are experiencing.
Watched once a Youtube interview with a former international-traveling-irl-super-spy type and he was asked how they could ever defend against subtle forms of social and emotional manipulation from adversaries.
He basically said that a person just had to learn to watch for, and think carefully about, patterns and situations surrounding a particular person.
e.g. if a person is always bumping into you randomly in public, then lavishing compliments on you, then leaving in a manner that leaves you wanting more… keep an eye on that. Think hard on who they are, what they want, and if those could be repeated, legitimate coincidences. Or if they have an agenda or some designs on you.
I don’t know how to best apply that principle to a girl who is this experienced and has that precise of a method of targeting men, but I will say it’s fascinating that *the vast majority of men she considered to be far too hard a target.* Don’t be discouraged, as it was possible to evade her predations. If a person had *any* self respect, self awareness, or was willing to call bullshit she seemed to ignore them for more vulnerable targets whom she could play the game on. So if you have money, power, or influence and are very lonely… watch for patterns, excessive feel goods, and constant coincidences. Stand up for yourself. Double check with others about weird situations you’re dragged into (even if a coworker or videogame friend is all you have to talk to, many still enjoy giving advice).
I know part of you will be scared about accidentally pushing real love away (or offending her), but you must be thoughtful. Also, don’t fall into being paranoid or no longer trusting others, as that can lead to new levels of loneliness. It’s a balancing act.
In life even if you do everything perfect, I also can make no promises. If you love and trust other people *you will* eventually get hurt. Any of us who have dated throughout our teenage or adult years have been lied to, cheated on, or had the person turn out to be a piece of shit who elegantly wore a human mask. I don’t necessarily regret those relationships, as I learned and grew from them, and sometimes that person changed later in life and regretted their mistakes. I
In light of all that, what’s a normal person to do? I think it’s best if you only give trust and material benefit to someone *in accord with where the relationship is* and where *its level of proven, formal commitment is currently at*. If someone will take you to see their parents, calls you their boyfriend in public, and connects their social medias to you… all those little signs can matter. Enough of them and a relationship is less likely to be a sneaky, total farce where she is trying to fleece you then “aftercare” then slowly slip away entirely.
If you are married to a woman and she has a kid with you, then that’s the kind of situation where it’s appropriate to give an absurd amount of ongoing help and bail her out of crazy situations (if the problems are legitimate, though do see a marriage counselor if needed). Especially if she does the same for you.
But if a woman you met and fell in love with is just a case of flighty feel-goods flickering in and out of your life and she doesn’t truly give in turn, and suffer beside you, then it’s neither appropriate for her to ask–or appropriate for you to give–a lot of help unbidden.
We can’t always protect ourselves in life, but we can avoid being a total fool. Getting a little scammed or betrayed is different from someone who loses the shirt on their back and the proverbial deed to their house.
Try to avoid total ruination. As such a state does exist.
She reminds me an awful lot of Andrew Tate.
Everyone involved is either sad and lonely, or self-centered and lonely monsters. From mai, to the guys she scammed, to the girls who purchased her scam, to the host club. Just garbage all around. Exept the youtuber that did her interview.
No ones happy, no one gets a partner, everyone loses.
My 70 year old coworker is constantly giving money to 20-something’s whose cars keep breaking down. This isn’t a scam it’s just a dumbass tax
I quite like that she basically got scammed by slightly more socially acceptable methods than she was using on other people.
I wonder if this sort of thing – basically getting lonely people to give you money – is actually illegal, if you don’t do all the extra shit that she did. Yes, it’s deceptive, but half of capitalism is like that.
The twitch e-girl method.
Its insane how loneliness is one of Japan’s biggest industries
I can see in 50 years she too will be a very lonely person… most likely looking after only cats…. because if you screw people around, they will screw you around…..
Because she is in a trial, and about to be sentenced…..I am sure she is going to get pregnant very soon…
There is this unhinged e-begger on youtube called DSP, the guy does this shit to his followers, even keeps it going on hidden discords, he gets money from them and uses it all on mobile games.😂
Thing is, she lied about getting millions out of her victims, too. These people lie about everything
Here’s the link if anyone wants to watch her full interview, it’s crazy, she pulls out 6,000,000 in yen from her backpack during the interview and says she’s going to spend it all at the host club later
https://youtu.be/HWkUzxG7X6g?si=mC3g6sTI9xr5Qb6x
The final bit of any large scam is convincing the world that you lost all of the money to another scam. That you are a victim as well.
I’ve seen this pattern so many times.
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These tactics do not work on girls 😀 lol. 😂
I don’t even think this is a scam. she was providing a service for those people and they were paying her.
If this is a scam, anyone who uses OF (and things like that) to make money is a scam artist.
The loneliness epidemic is getting worse and worse, she, host clubs, and onlyfans are highlights, but the problem is evident in more “honest” things too
Just look at dating apps, the absurd amount they expect people to pay for interaction with people that are actually interested in them. They’ll lock messaging or obscure photos; many of them don’t allow you to start a conversation without shelling out like 30 bucks a month, and you better believe they’ll turn on auto renew.
Why? Because people are lonely, so they’ll pay for it. That work, go home, sleep; as this bitch puts it “why live” lifestyle? That’s lots of people’s everyday life, because that’s what society has created with the lack of worker’s rights in *many* western minded countries. They don’t meet people because they really can’t, or don’t have many opportunities to at least, and all these predatory dating apps take massive advantage of that.
It’s only getting worse culturally too. Porn is changing how teens/adults see/desire sex, flirtatious interaction in person is deemed too risky from an early age, there’s a ton of skewed ideas about dating, sex, and cross gender socialization, and it’s isolating many, many people before they even get started.
I never think, “wow this person is so smart” when I see what this woman has done. To me what she’s doing is clear as day, it’s obvious from the start; it’s just whether or not you’re a big enough piece of shit to go through with doing it to frankly good, lonely people. Everyone always shits on the lonely men and women that get taken advantage of, but no one deserves loneliness, and no one deserves to be emotionally manipulated either.
I grew up right when all this shit was starting, when there were still warnings about social media, and interacting with online strangers; but it’s become so widespread, so ingrained in our society, that the scammed, lonely people of the next generation are in for a ride. I hope for the best for them, and I hope something will change so we can mitigate this misery-inducing from hurting too many people.
You call it Scam process. I say she discovered basically every normal sales process. Like seriously, if you receive any formal sales training this is what you’ll be trained to do effectively:
1) Select the right target. Dont waste time on people who cant/wont buy your product.
2) Don’t talk about the product, first establish trust with them
3) Find or create a pain point for the customer (an issue they’re having that what you’re selling could solve). Hit on that pain and bring it to the surface.
4) Only then do you propose what you’re selling
She scammed to get scammed at host clubs
A really interesting documentary on Host Clubs is The Great Happiness Space