I felt that way right after deregulation of the industry. Huge numbers of commuter hops opened up and inexperienced pilots could make an early jump into the left seat.
This picture of the cockpit makes this slightly misleading. True, you can become a commercial pilot in 7 months or less, but all that’s means is you are permitted to fly for compensation. You need to be an certificated ATP with thousands of hours before hiring on to be PIC of a commercial airliner.
Technically yes, but really no. Technically they will get you your commercial pilots license in 7 months. But you’ve still got about 1,000-1,200 flight hours to accumulate before any airline will actually hire you.
There’s a youtube channel called Mentour Pilot where this pilot goes through in detail different accidents and give you technical details on what happened based on accident reports. Its wildly entertaining a great way to lose 4 hours accidentally but it also makes you want to never fly again.
The only way that would work is if they are flying every day, and holy $$$$$.
It’s just that most people do it over a much longer period, but you still cannot cheat past FFA regulations in ***any*** way. The requirements for each license, from Single Engine Land (SEL) on up is the same for everyone, everywhere.
This is just an offer to do it super quickly, which, ***no*** f’n way. That would be an insane amount of flying, studying, etc…
I’m not saying it can’t be done, but wait until you read the fine print on that, and be ready to break your credit card.
Went to ATP in 08. Was training, then the recession hit. Cost more to back out than finish. Owners are douchebags, micromanage everything from JAX. The entire course is self study, your instructors are the previous 6 months students. Blind leading the blind. You’re not a customer to them. Time building is a joke, you will fly the same 3 airports for hundreds of hours.
Towards the end I was sitting for weeks waiting for checkrides. Complained and they then tried to tank my career before it began by setting up 3 checkrides (CFI-I, SE-comm, CFI-SE) in a single weekend. Luckily I studied and passed, no thanks to them.
Took me years to find a CFI job, and then another couple to meet the Colgan requirements of 1500 hrs. Hindsight, should have gone to a mom and pop school. Flew the Erj-145(RIP xjt), the CRJ and now on the Bus. They will not help you land a job, but they will hound you to use your story to promote their company.
Stay away, far far away. As much as I dislike the riddle rats mentality(most goto Skypest anyways), better to go to Embry Riddle there than ATP if you have the means. UND and WMU have nice programs as well.
Jokes aside, I wish every aviator success in their career, but please for the love of god stay away from ATP.
Zero to *commercial pilot* in 7 months. A commercial rating is only the starting point – it does not even remotely qualify you to fly for an airline. It doesn’t even qualify you to fly a Cessna on instruments. You need about 1500 hours and about a dozen other ratings to get your airline transport rating.
Im sorry did you think there are special super competent people who served in the military for 30 years only to shirk retirement to sit in a chair for 14 hours a day and be permanently jet lagged? I’m actually surprised their aren’t self flying planes, especially with autopilot. Maybe the plane lands and then a pilot enters to taxi. Pilots would just lounge all day waiting for the planes to come. Hmmm. Anyway the world is full of normal people with faults.
I went to a flight school and also took aeronautics in college, yes it’s 250 hours to get your commercial license but it doesn’t mean you can work for an airline. The best way to get training is to join the Air Force, those pilots are the first to get hired if you don’t have the funds to pay. You will have to be a flights instructor to build thousands of hours and get paid to fly lol, otherwise it will be too expensive.
A “commercial” certificate, let’s you get paid to fly an airplane. You’ll graduate ATP with aprox 220-250 hours if you’re on track. With your commercial multi-engine aircraft.
The jobs that qualifies you for is rather slim. Common types are banner towing, pipeline patrol, geo surveying. Think jobs that if you crash you only kill your self.
Once you build up to around 500-600 hours you start to apply to part 91 & 135 operators. These are sections of the regulations that govern “for hire” companies. These jobs are generally flying passengers or cargo generally in aircraft with less than 19 seats.
Once you reach 1,500 Total time (1,250 with associate degree 1,000 with bachelor degree in aviation). You’re eligible to receive your ATP (airline transport pilot) certificate. This then allows you to get hired by part 121 companies, think actual airlines.
The first companies you’ll work for are what’s called “regionals”. These are companies like piedmont, skywest, PSA, endeavor, the list goes on and on. Companies you’ve never heard of but very well may have flown on. These are usually owned by big companies American, United, and Delta. For example the plane will say American Eagle or United Express.
From there it varies on industry demand who’s hiring and what requirements. Currently the industry on average is looking for about 1,000 hours at a regional so around 2,000-2,500 hours total time.
Currently the career track is 4 years from 0 hours to right seat at a “major” airline.
>DING< “Ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking: sorry about that little bit of turbulence, folks, but the co-pilot keeps touching my wheel- He’s really annoying.”
>DING<“Ladies and gentlemen, this is your Co-pilot speaking: it’s not his wheel, it’s the airline’s wheel, and I can touch it if I want…”
–RC
I felt that way right after deregulation of the industry. Huge numbers of commuter hops opened up and inexperienced pilots could make an early jump into the left seat.
These are probably the same people that teach Amazon delivery drivers to drive.
How hard could it be? I’ve talked to some pilots. My impression, these dudes don’t necessarily need a whole lot of brain power to fly.
This picture of the cockpit makes this slightly misleading. True, you can become a commercial pilot in 7 months or less, but all that’s means is you are permitted to fly for compensation. You need to be an certificated ATP with thousands of hours before hiring on to be PIC of a commercial airliner.
Technically yes, but really no. Technically they will get you your commercial pilots license in 7 months. But you’ve still got about 1,000-1,200 flight hours to accumulate before any airline will actually hire you.
Is it online training ? 😂
Just wait until you learn how most cops in America are “trained”…
There’s a youtube channel called Mentour Pilot where this pilot goes through in detail different accidents and give you technical details on what happened based on accident reports. Its wildly entertaining a great way to lose 4 hours accidentally but it also makes you want to never fly again.
Why?
The only way that would work is if they are flying every day, and holy $$$$$.
It’s just that most people do it over a much longer period, but you still cannot cheat past FFA regulations in ***any*** way. The requirements for each license, from Single Engine Land (SEL) on up is the same for everyone, everywhere.
This is just an offer to do it super quickly, which, ***no*** f’n way. That would be an insane amount of flying, studying, etc…
I’m not saying it can’t be done, but wait until you read the fine print on that, and be ready to break your credit card.
Went to ATP in 08. Was training, then the recession hit. Cost more to back out than finish. Owners are douchebags, micromanage everything from JAX. The entire course is self study, your instructors are the previous 6 months students. Blind leading the blind. You’re not a customer to them. Time building is a joke, you will fly the same 3 airports for hundreds of hours.
Towards the end I was sitting for weeks waiting for checkrides. Complained and they then tried to tank my career before it began by setting up 3 checkrides (CFI-I, SE-comm, CFI-SE) in a single weekend. Luckily I studied and passed, no thanks to them.
Took me years to find a CFI job, and then another couple to meet the Colgan requirements of 1500 hrs. Hindsight, should have gone to a mom and pop school. Flew the Erj-145(RIP xjt), the CRJ and now on the Bus. They will not help you land a job, but they will hound you to use your story to promote their company.
Stay away, far far away. As much as I dislike the riddle rats mentality(most goto Skypest anyways), better to go to Embry Riddle there than ATP if you have the means. UND and WMU have nice programs as well.
Jokes aside, I wish every aviator success in their career, but please for the love of god stay away from ATP.
I just got accepted!!!
My cousin graduated from the Airforce Academy. He flew in the Air Force in multiple campaigns. he TAUGHT flying at the airforce academy….
and he still struggled to find a job as a commercial pilot for a big airline for YEARS!
Zero to *commercial pilot* in 7 months. A commercial rating is only the starting point – it does not even remotely qualify you to fly for an airline. It doesn’t even qualify you to fly a Cessna on instruments. You need about 1500 hours and about a dozen other ratings to get your airline transport rating.
United airlines hires only after 1500 hours so its very safe lol
Im sorry did you think there are special super competent people who served in the military for 30 years only to shirk retirement to sit in a chair for 14 hours a day and be permanently jet lagged? I’m actually surprised their aren’t self flying planes, especially with autopilot. Maybe the plane lands and then a pilot enters to taxi. Pilots would just lounge all day waiting for the planes to come. Hmmm. Anyway the world is full of normal people with faults.
I went to a flight school and also took aeronautics in college, yes it’s 250 hours to get your commercial license but it doesn’t mean you can work for an airline. The best way to get training is to join the Air Force, those pilots are the first to get hired if you don’t have the funds to pay. You will have to be a flights instructor to build thousands of hours and get paid to fly lol, otherwise it will be too expensive.
I know…I always say this about those medical careers online. I’m like umm, I don’t want somebody working in a hospital in 6 months, kkthx…
Wait till you find out how many people drive without any experience or driver licenses and no insurance
They offer a similar brain surgeon class as well.
Don’t worry, most of the stuff in the program is “here’s where the autopilot button is”.
For those interested….
A “commercial” certificate, let’s you get paid to fly an airplane. You’ll graduate ATP with aprox 220-250 hours if you’re on track. With your commercial multi-engine aircraft.
The jobs that qualifies you for is rather slim. Common types are banner towing, pipeline patrol, geo surveying. Think jobs that if you crash you only kill your self.
Once you build up to around 500-600 hours you start to apply to part 91 & 135 operators. These are sections of the regulations that govern “for hire” companies. These jobs are generally flying passengers or cargo generally in aircraft with less than 19 seats.
Once you reach 1,500 Total time (1,250 with associate degree 1,000 with bachelor degree in aviation). You’re eligible to receive your ATP (airline transport pilot) certificate. This then allows you to get hired by part 121 companies, think actual airlines.
The first companies you’ll work for are what’s called “regionals”. These are companies like piedmont, skywest, PSA, endeavor, the list goes on and on. Companies you’ve never heard of but very well may have flown on. These are usually owned by big companies American, United, and Delta. For example the plane will say American Eagle or United Express.
From there it varies on industry demand who’s hiring and what requirements. Currently the industry on average is looking for about 1,000 hours at a regional so around 2,000-2,500 hours total time.
Currently the career track is 4 years from 0 hours to right seat at a “major” airline.
Source: I’m an ATP pilot and Flight Instructor.
>DING< “Ladies and gentlemen this is your captain speaking: sorry about that little bit of turbulence, folks, but the co-pilot keeps touching my wheel- He’s really annoying.”
>DING<“Ladies and gentlemen, this is your Co-pilot speaking: it’s not his wheel, it’s the airline’s wheel, and I can touch it if I want…”
–RC
Where do I sign up, habibi?
Not gonna lie, I feel that a good program could teach someone to fly in 7 months if they did it right.
Its just that I dont feel that’s a good program.
In reality, it is REALLY hard to become a commercial pilot.