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Wow that Nazi mom was just…… So gross. I’ve been so used to hearing dog whistles lately that it’s while hearing someone being upfront with their monstrosity.
As a non-american, I have always assumed that home schooling was a highly regulated, standardized alternative to traditional schools. With teachers who are trained to deal with kids with special needs. With tuition based on materials and curriculum that are mandated, reviewed, and updated regularly.
This video blew my mind. I don’t know how this managed to stay legal for so long.
Homeschooling definitely need oversight otherwise you end up with someone learn wrong stuff..
But mama said
Coming from a country where kids are required by law to attend school from 6-16 and home school only exists for very special cases where normal schooling wasn’t possible this whole concept of basically unregulated home schooling completely baffles me.
What happens to the kids after they “graduate” when they have basically no education ? What college is gonna accept them ?
or if they want to enter the job market, who is gonna hire them ?
Do these kids just all go into some christian parallel society that favours the propaganda they’ve been taught ?
Public schools!!
This topic points out how extremely difficult it is to reconcile parents rights to guide their children’s upbringing with society’s obligations and ability to impose. It would seem to be the dictionary definition of tyranny to insist that all children are taught the same information the same way (not to mention who gets to define that). But the current system of laissez faire oversight is certainly allowing for bad actors, which harms children and consequently society as a whole. To me this is one area where the US and it’s fetishized “rugged individualism” needs a rethink.
I considering homeschooling to be child assault.
I had a whole bunch of homeschooled friends from church (of course) when I was a kid and all of them were socially maladjusted, severely undereducated, and completely unprepared for the real world.
I think literally only one of them made it to college – Bible college, of course…
Public School isn’t the easiest. You’ll get bullied. You might not have the best teachers. You’ll be exposed to things your religion or belief system doesn’t approve of. But that’s the *real world*, and as much as so many religious parents would like it not to, it exists; and your kids *will* experience it one day.
All sheltering your children does is render them completely unprepared for this reality. It’s extremely sad.
I have witnessed all levels of homeschooled children in the classroom. I had a 15 yr old who had no idea how to read an analog clock and an eleven year old who was proficient at sophomore level algebra.
Having a child does not inherently confer virtue upon you. We can make significant strides in solving many of society’s problems by embracing this understanding.
John Oliver is the greatest embodiment of the [Gell-Mann amnesia](https://theportal.wiki/wiki/The_Gell-Mann_Amnesia_Effect) effect that ever lived.
This sort of argument would be much more compelling if public schools themselves were particularly well-regulated.
Now, certainly there are numerous regulations regarding the administrators, staff and teachers. But in terms of *educational quality*, there are precious few. We’re down to eight states with exit exams at this point – mostly abolished due to concerns about ‘equity’.
So when Oliver complains about the floor being ‘non-existent’, he may as well be talking about public school as well.
Nor is this limited to academic concerns. Once you get into abuse allegations, you need to start by understanding that Child Protective Services is, almost universally, absolutely abysmal at their jobs. The “ceiling” for their performance is so astonishingly low that it only makes sense for them to intervene in the most egregious of cases. The options they provide when they take children out of their parent’s homes – like group homes and foster care – are so abysmal that you’d never choose them except as a last possible option.
The analogy with NRA is actually quite apt. Much of the reason the NRA pursues an ‘extreme’ agenda is because what they’re fighting against isn’t “reasonable firearm legislation” but people who, if given even the slightest authority to act, would abuse that authority to eliminate people’s rights entirely. Consider “Kaylee’s Law”. Protecting children from abuse seems great, right?
Well, sure. Until you realize that CPS can show up at your home, invade your life and legally harass you with no evidence at all of abuse or evidence of ‘abuse’ that isn’t ‘abuse’ at all (such as letting your child walk to the park down the street without adult supervision). The system is so dysfunctional that there’s a solid argument that we’re better off letting serious cases of abuse go undetected than risk CPS interventions in all other cases.
Ultimately, Oliver’s argument doesn’t hold much water because he refuses to recognize the failings of the alternatives. Long before you should be concerned with the relatively few people homeschooling, you should be concerned with fixing the systems we have for dealing with *all* children who need education and protection from abuse.
No matter how you cut it, a home schooled child. Will be behind a non hime school child. In the most important lessons, the ones you learn dealing with other humans.
One of the saddest sights I’ve seen was the Mebane North Carolina Home School Band marching in the Christmas Parade. Those kids couldn’t play their instruments…and also couldn’t play them together… it was a sad display of the Art of individualism.
I had a student once whose parent only made them do math as it was the most important subject (and the only thing they knew how to teach). You can imagine what fun having a 10th grader who didn’t understand any part of speech, and had never even been introduced to figurative language. Homeschooling can be a good thing, but from my experiences…it is mostly parents doing a really shitty job at teaching. Many parents think it’s easy, and if you believe it’s easy then you are doing it wrong. The discipline to maintain good studies throughout a child’s youth is simply something a lot do not have.
Noun. Definition of noun with snarky one-liner tacked on.
Go fuck yourself you ugly bong
I’m really glad he’s back.
I’m a parent of a three year-old, and have always dreaded the idea of homeschooling because of the holes it leaves in children’s upbringing. Although I feel confident that my wife and I could do an adequate job educating our girl, even with home-school groups and extracurricular activities, the lack of social interaction with other kids cannot be healthy. However, as the time approaches for us to enroll her in preschool, we have become paranoid of the horrible state of things within classrooms across the country. Between TikTok, Snapchat, and guns – there are a lot of things that are very concerning to me as a parent. Don’t get me wrong, I know that I shouldn’t “shelter” my child. But I also don’t want to unnecessarily expose her to filth and potential danger. Beyond that, the public education system is a joke. Maybe if teachers were adequately compensated and extremists would stop banning books it would be a different story. But we live in a very different time, and unfortunately, it is beginning to feel like homeschooling might be the best option.
I’m curious though, how do other parents of young children feel given the current state of things?
I once met a guy in his early 20’s that had the thickest Scottish accent I’d ever heard. But he was born in America and had never even been outside the US state he was born. His parents were Scottish and he was homeschooled. That’s how isolated some homeschooled kids can be.
Homeschoolers tend to test 15-25 percentile points higher than public schoolers.
Our public schools are shit too. Some kids get pulled out for the underachieving & other types of harm they are receiving there.
Between this and PragerU in more classrooms, things aren’t looking good.
It’s strange how many on here think that home schooled children lack socialization. Many of these homeschoolers are in religious households who interact and socialize with others in there religion. Just because you don’t agree with who they are socializing with doesn’t mean it’s detrimental. My kids go to public school and I see under socialized kids there as well. Throwing kids at a one size fits all institution isn’t always the answer.
Every time I think that I want to homeschool my future kids to keep them out of public schools, I remember how many opportunities public schools gave me. Yes I developed an anxiety disorder and agoraphobia, but I never would have met my friends and had those experiences.
It’s kind of a lose-lose situation (even if parents know what they’re doing).
I am so glad he is shining a light on this. I became aware of the HSLDA in the early 00’s, and was disgusted, but not surprised. I had gone to a religious school and a public school in a red state. I know what kind of beliefs are rampant.
A lot of these families follow the teachings of the Pearls. Don’t look them up if you don’t know about them, trust me when I say you’re better off. I will sum it up in saying it involves forms of discipline that are abusive with goals that are disturbing. As such homeschooling is a way to bypass child abuse investigations. Some of the stories I’ve heard are absolutely heartbreaking.
There is a real question on whether or not parents are allowed to teach their children nonsense and lies. But if a system is being used to avoid investigations of child abusers, it needs to be overhauled.
I knew these comments would suck when I got to them – Redditors sharing their uninformed ideas about homeschooling.
I was homeschooled from K-3rd grade and then all of high school. Biggest disservice my parents ever did for me. The fact that I have a degree and am a successful person in spite of all that is amazing.
This thread and the comments on the video are filled with reactive, defensive people thinking the video is condoning banning Homeschooling or saying that Public School is perfect. Just watch the video
The solutions put forward are “At least have to submit a form that your kid is being homeschooled” and “Maybe make sure the kids aren’t entirely forgotten about” and “Maaaaaaaaaybe have some extra checks on parents with known and convicted history of child abuse”
This isn’t controversial stuff, and nowhere near close to arguing to ban homeschooling. The video starts off with showing people who are better for their homeschooling, and great for them
I have 3 college degrees. My wife has two. We would be considered well educated. There’s no way in the world I would want to home school my children. My mother thinks our kids are being indoctrinated and thinks we should pull them out.
Edit: Fortunately, our state hasn’t instituted the PragerU curriculum yet. Their teachers are competent and are teaching appropriately. We are constantly talking to our kids and we do look at what’s being taught. They’re both straight A students and we see no need to interfere at this point.
I was homeschooled through high school. My mom was very good about establishing a curriculum and doing standardized testing every year. I was able to enroll in dual-credit courses at a local college my Junior and Senior year of high school. The transition to college was relatively smooth. And college went well for me.
On the other hand, I’ve seen parents “homeschool” their kids with no oversight or intentionality. And the kids suffered greatly because of it.
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As a homeschool mom this is what keeps me up at night. I want more support, more testing, more oversight. Decent oversight though. My kid is ten and learning highschool algebra sure, but he hates language arts and I want to be sure he actually takes some of this in. You don’t want to be a physicist who sounds like a complete moron because you can’t spell physics.
Don’t have time to watch Oliver, yet, but I will… So I’m guessing he and I will agree in some way…
In my years, I’ve known about a dozen kids who have been homeschooled. Roughly 5 sets a of parents, because there’s a lot of siblings in that dozen kids.
EVERY set of parents had whack-a-doodle ideas about public schooling, or the American public, and only made their decision to homeschool highly suspect.
One child of those dozen is mostly in reality today.
It seriously set my opinion that homeschooling should not be allowed.
I’ve yet to meet a homeschooling parent who seems qualified at all.
1. Dad is like Charlie levels of literacy. His social media posts are so hard to read. The mom was like a C- level student. Together they believe they can teach a child
2. My mother. I will say she did very well in school but her science understanding has since become terrible . Young earth creationist who doesn’t even know what a theory is. She could teach everything outside of science (but that’s like 90% why she wanted to homeschool for a couple years)
3. Parents who had 5 kids. They aren’t dumb but there’s no fucking way they have the time and energy to teach 5 kids all at very different levels and ages. Also young earth creationists who should stay away from trying to teach biology.
4. Parents who literally don’t care and don’t really teach. They just tell their kids to read the textbooks and that’s about the extent of their involvement. 1 of their kids is super curious and actually doing okay (not great) despite his situation. Other kid is so so so dull. He’s in 6th grade and wouldn’t pass a 4th grade test
The problem with homeschooling is the teachers are idiots.
Education aside, every homeschooled kid I know is socially lacking.
It’s wild to me there is barely any control to how those kids are educated in most states. How do those kids fare when they enter the regular educational system?
I was home schooled off and on for most of my childhood and my younger siblings were their whole childhood.
Homeschooling should be considered abuse.
My ex husband tried to remove our 4 children from public school to “homeschool” them when he didn’t win full custody. He unilaterally decided they would now be homeschooled, by him and due to that the kids would need to be with him M-F. Funny thing is we had 50/50 on everything so he did not have the authority to make that decision. Took months but finally after the kids were brought before truancy court I finally won full decision making for educational purposes due to his little games.
It was so validating to see some commentary on homeschooling and how it is used by many abusive parents to further abuse their kids.