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Every Possible Melody Has Been Copyrighted, all 68.7 billion
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Interesting way to prove how absurd music copyright law is. Also wonder how many times they broke copyrighted melodies already established in there.
Activist lawyers are some cool motherfuckers
Wonder if they were trying to fit in 68.7 billion camera zoom in/outs and shakes in this video. Sure looks like they were trying.
the entire idea of copyright is flawed.
It’s really misleading when the video itself says it wasn’t feasible for them to copyright every melody because of the sheer amount of possible melodies out there. They were able to copyright a lot, but 12 note melodies of eighth notes in C major is such a limited amount of melodies.
Dear GOD the camera zooming were driving me insane
It is a great way to highlight the silliness of music copyright law.
BUt good luck defending these as that’s the main point of it.
That hard drive includes copyright violations: all of Michael Anthony’s bass lines.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLRO4W9pNrQ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_number
There are illegal numbers. An illegal number is a number that represents information which is illegal to possess, utter, propagate, or otherwise transmit in some legal jurisdiction. Any piece of digital information is representable as a number; consequently, if communicating a specific set of information is illegal in some way, then the number may be illegal as well.
People do own numbers.
There is a woman in Spain who claims every telephone number is own by her because he copyrighted the tones that the telephone number makes when dialing it.
The woman also claims to own the sun… and a guy tried to sue her for getting sunburnt.
Spoiler: they didn’t. They in fact had to set a large number of restrictions on their generated melodies. I admire their intentions, but the headline here is clickbait.
No lie I actually started trying to do this exact same thing like 6 months ago, but another side project took over. Glad someone did.
However, based on what I was doing there would be way more than 68.7 billion melodies if you include different instruments, percussion, etc. Like way more. Instead my plan changed to have a website where you could just generate random melodies, drum tracks, whatever (you pick the instruments) and see if you got lucky and came across something cool. You could pick a max resolution for each instrument (whole notes down to 1/32 notes), how many measures to generate, etc. I should really pick that project back up lol, it was really fun to work on.
Copyright law doesn’t necessarily work that way. Since an algorithm generated the content, it’s unclear who actually owns the copyright. As far as I know, that question hasn’t been answered in a court. One would have to convince a judge that the author of the work is actually the author of the algorithm that generated the work. Maybe that’s doable? Idk.
The nearest thing I’m aware of is the famous monkey copyright case, wherein a monkey took a photographers camera and snapped a picture with it. The court ruled that a monkey cannot own a copyright. The plaintiff argued the photographer owned the copyright since he intentionally set up the conditions so that the monkey would take the camera and possibly take a picture with it.
The court ruled that wasn’t enough, that the monkey was the author, and that monkeys can’t own copyrights under us laws, therefore the picture was in the public domain.
So these lawyers may very well have created a bunch of public domain melodies. Which I guess was probably their goal anyway, since now they’re prior art and nobody can copyright them (maybe). But they probably haven’t been copyrighted in the traditional sense.
It’s also unclear if the court will even consider the melodies valid in the first place since as far as I’m aware, there’s no cases regarding the brute forcing of content in order to abuse(?) The copyright system. It’s possible a judge could simply order that the melodies weren’t generated in good faith.
Far too many questions to say that this is definitely a done deal.
[5:26](https://youtu.be/sfXn_ecH5Rw?t=326)
>If all copyrightable melodies are simply simple permutations of parameters, then why should any one person own one permutation over another? In other words, nobody can own a number; it’s basically all [a melody] is, so why should any one person own a melody?
>There are only 243 combinations of three notes by five notes. Do we want to give any one person that happens upon one of those 243 a monopoly for… life of the author plus 95 years for something that there are only 243 of in the history of time? For us as a society to give that person a monopoly on that one thing, we have to be pretty sure that that’s that’s not going to be to the detriment of everyone else and we have to know as a society that… if music is a shared language, owning that granular a piece of the language I think is equally as ridiculous.
Melancholy Elephants
a melody can be any length, so doesn’t that mean there are infinite possibilities?
One of the pirate bay founders made something that illustrate how crazy copyright infringement can be too, he made a device that theoretically steal billions of dollars, it does a loop of illegally downloading a movie, deleting it and downloading again.
Yes, but how many copyrights have they violated?
Fun trivia fact: He makes a comment at 5:38 about how “no-one can own a number…”, which sounds ridiculous in theory, but there is a real-life example of this:
Back in the late 1980’s when Intel was facing increasing competition from (primarily) AMD on their microprocessor business, they were pulling out all the stops in their efforts to protect their IP.
So much so that when the follow-on generation from their ubiquitous and successful “386” product line was going to be named the “486” Intel **literally tried to copyright the number 486** so that AMD and others could not name their competing chipset similarly.
Intel ultimately lost, and it is for this reason that the generation following the 486 was called the “Pentium” (a copyrighted brand name) instead of the 586.
Additional sidenote – when it was announced that this latest generation of Intel processors was to be called the “Pentium”, industry people joked that AMD (who was basing much of their own design on Intel’s work) would call their competing version the “Copium” (as in “Copy-em”)…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melancholy_Elephants
I recall reading this as a kid.
Yeah this is nonsence, if you dont claim your copyright you lose it.
Cool idea but fails in practice.
That’s like copywriting a number. So stupid, and why are the ones who didn’t create the melody allowed to copywrite it? That’s just straight up stealing.
I have copyrighted O2. People, stop breathing.
I love capitalism because it allows people to create things, because they know they can protect them afterwards
HURRRRRRRRR
Did The Marvin Gay family or whoever owns the rights purchase all these too?
I hate capitalism.