Look up Monarch by JnJ. They use a gaming controller to conduct these type of surgeries, specifically the urology one is about to conduct their first in human trials.
I’m curious, what games are used in the study? I remember watching a [YT video (by Tom Scott)](https://youtu.be/t19wSDqf6qo) about surgeons being able to “practice” surgery on 3D printed models of the patient. It’s not exactly the same thing as a game, but the surgeon talks about how being able to practice on a dummy, especially a copy of the patient, makes the actual surgery go better.
Since this study is about laparoscopic surgery, I’m guessing it has to do with games that require you to move your arms around? VR, Wii, Switch? Or maybe games that require more finger dexterity? Can’t think of any examples. Or maybe games that have force feedback on the controller?
As a psychologist, I can only agree. Really well documented phenomenon, but to be noted- specialized software or special type of game. But if you are gaming, mostly online and games Like CSGO, you gain better reaction time.
So, I was doing a procedure (bronchoscopy) on a patient during fellowship where you stick a small camera down someone’s lungs.
A pulmonologist (lung specialist) was supervising me and asked where I trained for pulmonology since my motions were fluid and I was relatively fast despite only having done this a few times before.
I told him I never did pulmonology but in fact Emergency Medicine (no one in Emergency Medicine does this procedure). He seemed surprised, paused for a few seconds, and then said “okay so it must be the video games then”.
You know the old saying, those who can’t do, teach. And those who can’t teach, give lectures on the use of video games for improving laparoscopic surgical skills! /s
I legit was going to fail Kindergarten because my fine-motor skills weren’t advanced enough, got a Nintendo that spring and was able to pass based on my improvements.
So, there has been several studies regarding this topic and a systematic review basically reviews all the available relevant research at the time.
A lot of research is mostly just “proving” common sense. Being happy will probably make you live longer, etc. So these studies are proving something we have long had a suspicion about.
In medicine/surgery, there are procedures which are done with the aid of a camera on a screen. Laparoscopic surgery is one such thing in which a small incision is made and a camera is stuck into the abdomen along with other small tools to perform minimally invasive surgeries. Having hand eye coordination to translate what you do with your hands onto the screen and understanding orientation is important. What is “up” on the screen is not the same orientation on the human body. You can guess that using keyboard and mouse or a controller would translate into visuospatial skills. Studies have shown that even prior gaming start you off with a better “baseline skills” than people who’ve never gamed.
There are also studies where they’ll have surgical residents play games a certain amount you hours per week to increase their hand eye coordination.
This applies to other procedures such as ultrasound guided procedures or DaVinci surgeries.
When I was learning how to operate front loaders, I was asked if I had operated machines like that before, since I picked it up pretty much immediately. No, I just play video games. I think there’s a lot of overlap in hand-eye coordination skills learned from games and professional applications. I’ve also been told I’m good at remaining calm under pressure, and I attribute that to years of laddering in StarCraft.
When I was in Med-school, I was helping one of the surgeons with a laparascopic procedure and she made a comment asking if I played videogames. So must be some correlation of it helping.
She’s right, the DaVinci robot is basically a video game console that the surgeon uses for lappys , I used to have to clean the Arms , the unit itself is really cool
Also there are game studios that make anatomically correct games via unreal engine for students to learn on
Why did you censor this?
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Ok?
A former coworker just did it? Like, was it so bad they were fired?
Got a link to the PowerPoint?
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I vaguely remember a thing where some surgeons performed better after playing wii. Is this related to that? Or in the same vein?
Look up Monarch by JnJ. They use a gaming controller to conduct these type of surgeries, specifically the urology one is about to conduct their first in human trials.
I realise it’s not the same, but I read about Super Monkeyball being referred to in medical studies https://www.polygon.com/2013/10/14/4838344/doctors-play-super-monkey-ball-2-to-warm-up-before-surgery
I finished surgeon simulator. I can review his paper 🤣
As a med student, this is what I aspire to be
…And that is why I should be able to play COD at work. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Where can we catch a vod of this?
I would give someone an F for being so unimaginative and basic that they use video games as an academic subject.
Nice!
I’m curious, what games are used in the study? I remember watching a [YT video (by Tom Scott)](https://youtu.be/t19wSDqf6qo) about surgeons being able to “practice” surgery on 3D printed models of the patient. It’s not exactly the same thing as a game, but the surgeon talks about how being able to practice on a dummy, especially a copy of the patient, makes the actual surgery go better.
Since this study is about laparoscopic surgery, I’m guessing it has to do with games that require you to move your arms around? VR, Wii, Switch? Or maybe games that require more finger dexterity? Can’t think of any examples. Or maybe games that have force feedback on the controller?
Anyways, congrats to the former coworker!
As a psychologist, I can only agree. Really well documented phenomenon, but to be noted- specialized software or special type of game. But if you are gaming, mostly online and games Like CSGO, you gain better reaction time.
While not a video game per se, I know of startups that develop AR- and VR-based visualization software for surgeons.
A study on the effects of having three hours of free time in a profession known for having zero free time.
So, I was doing a procedure (bronchoscopy) on a patient during fellowship where you stick a small camera down someone’s lungs.
A pulmonologist (lung specialist) was supervising me and asked where I trained for pulmonology since my motions were fluid and I was relatively fast despite only having done this a few times before.
I told him I never did pulmonology but in fact Emergency Medicine (no one in Emergency Medicine does this procedure). He seemed surprised, paused for a few seconds, and then said “okay so it must be the video games then”.
I was so proud of myself
You know the old saying, those who can’t do, teach. And those who can’t teach, give lectures on the use of video games for improving laparoscopic surgical skills! /s
Aim Labs for surgeons, sounds like it could work. 5 minute warmup before surgery?
The 2001 show Scrubs saw the surgeon Dr. Turk regularly play videogames to help with dexterity.
so this has been know for minimum 20 years, lol.
I was just training on divinci’s new SP robot, and they had a ‘space’ game that was designed from someone at epic games, I believe.
It wasn’t very helpful to my needs as a surgeon but it was definitely interesting.
We supposedly UAV controls look similar to gaming controllers.
I swear this has been a known thing for a while (maybe not widely known).
But yeah certain games are top for fine motor skills.
And so they were fired for this?
Is there a recording of the seminar?
Maybe in Davinci robotic surgeries
I legit was going to fail Kindergarten because my fine-motor skills weren’t advanced enough, got a Nintendo that spring and was able to pass based on my improvements.
So, there has been several studies regarding this topic and a systematic review basically reviews all the available relevant research at the time.
A lot of research is mostly just “proving” common sense. Being happy will probably make you live longer, etc. So these studies are proving something we have long had a suspicion about.
In medicine/surgery, there are procedures which are done with the aid of a camera on a screen. Laparoscopic surgery is one such thing in which a small incision is made and a camera is stuck into the abdomen along with other small tools to perform minimally invasive surgeries. Having hand eye coordination to translate what you do with your hands onto the screen and understanding orientation is important. What is “up” on the screen is not the same orientation on the human body. You can guess that using keyboard and mouse or a controller would translate into visuospatial skills. Studies have shown that even prior gaming start you off with a better “baseline skills” than people who’ve never gamed.
There are also studies where they’ll have surgical residents play games a certain amount you hours per week to increase their hand eye coordination.
This applies to other procedures such as ultrasound guided procedures or DaVinci surgeries.
Looks like we should all start playing Wii to become better surgeons, then. Time to brush up on my Mario skills.
If I have over a thousand hours on surgeon simulator can I get into med school?
You gotta say vr
it sounds more classy
When I was learning how to operate front loaders, I was asked if I had operated machines like that before, since I picked it up pretty much immediately. No, I just play video games. I think there’s a lot of overlap in hand-eye coordination skills learned from games and professional applications. I’ve also been told I’m good at remaining calm under pressure, and I attribute that to years of laddering in StarCraft.
The US military used to actively recruit gamers too (and most likely still does).
When I was in Med-school, I was helping one of the surgeons with a laparascopic procedure and she made a comment asking if I played videogames. So must be some correlation of it helping.
– A presentation on How Awesome Everything Is, and How I Get to Spend More Time With Carla and Izzy Now, by Dr. Christopher Turk.
She’s right, the DaVinci robot is basically a video game console that the surgeon uses for lappys , I used to have to clean the Arms , the unit itself is really cool
Also there are game studios that make anatomically correct games via unreal engine for students to learn on